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Guilbert & Betelle building?
« on: Apr 16th, 2007, 9:19am » |
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Hello - I love this site; really, anything with urban archaeology.
I'm researching the architect James Betelle, and his firm Guilbert & Betelle. According to my records, the firm built the "employees dormitory", at a cost of $175,000, for the Sanitorium. Not sure what year.
I've looked through the site, and it's not clear to me precisely which building this might be. Any ideas? I'd love to see what it looked like.
My site is http://jamesbetelle.com
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Steve
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 16th, 2007, 10:45am » |
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Welcome to EMS bro I hope you enjoy this site as much as we all do,it's good to see more and more people joining.
Have a good one man...
I'm Steve also good to meet ya,
PS, Updates and new Info on anything relevant to the already started threads is always welcome and appreciated.
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 16th, 2007, 9:46pm » |
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on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:19am, SteveW wrote:
I'm researching the architect James Betelle, and his firm Guilbert & Betelle. According to my records, the firm built the "employees dormitory", at a cost of $175,000, for the Sanitorium. Not sure what year.
I've looked through the site, and it's not clear to me precisely which building this might be. Any ideas? I'd love to see what it looked like.
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if i have to take a guess, i would say the male employee building is the one to look at.
the male employee building is the bottom right building.
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 17th, 2007, 8:31am » |
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Thanks for the reply, Lionel. Are you referring to the building in the very bottom corner with all the dormer windows? Are there other shots of it?
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #4 on: Apr 17th, 2007, 12:49pm » |
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Here's a shot of the Male Employee Home after it was abandoned - but before someone burned it down
"employees dormitory" isn't very specific, so it very well could've been the Female Employee Home
and after it was abandoned - but before someone burned it down
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 17th, 2007, 11:07pm » |
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on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:31am, SteveW wrote:| Thanks for the reply, Lionel. Are you referring to the building in the very bottom corner with all the dormer windows? Are there other shots of it? |
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yes, if i had to venture a guess, that is the building i think it could be...but, i am not sure. outpatient posted the other picture that i couldn't find last night...much better shot of it.
let me ask you this, did your research suggest that guilbert & betelle built 1 building for the sanatorium or did they build most of the buildings here? when looking at the old photos, the male employee building and the administration are the only 2 that look alike. all the other buildings seem to have a more 'art-deco' 1930's sytle. could guilbert & betelle have built the 2 buildings i mentioned or could they have built the entire campus?
one last thought...could they have built overbrook as well??
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #6 on: Apr 17th, 2007, 11:41pm » |
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In reference to EMS, all I have is quite literally what I first posted; it's from a list of projects in a biography of James Betelle. His schools (his speciality) are well documented in architectural journals, but not so much his instititional work.
These are a few of the other hospital-related buildings Guilbert & Betelle built in NJ. My searches doesn't turn up too much on them (interestingly, "Hurricane" Carter was at Annandale).
Manual Training & Industrial School for Colored Youth.
Auditorium, Gymnasium & Dining Hall
Bordentown, NJ
NJ state reformatory for boys
Group of twelve or fourteen buildings
Annandale, NJ
Third State Hospital for the Insane
Group of 25 or 30 buildings
HIllsdale, NJ
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #7 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 12:11am » |
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ON THE MAIN SITE UNDER THIS TOPIC...FOLLOW THE LINK TO A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. IT MIGHT HELP.
Funeral for a Friend
The sanatorium complex was eligible under Criterion A and C for inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places. Criterion A states that a property may be registered if it is associated with events that have made a significant contribution to the broad patterns of our history. Under Criterion C, a property may be registered if it embodies the distinctive characteristics of a type, period, or method of construction. Although the sanatorium buildings were deemed safe and structurally sound, county officials gave little thought to rebuilding them for other uses, and historical preservation was not considered to be an option. Consequently, in August of 1993, the main complex of the sanatorium was destroyed and the once crown jewel of Essex County was finally laid to rest, ending an important era in our local, state and national history. Its long journey was at last complete and its destiny to be forgotten had been fulfilled. Nearly a century of time had been erased, and lost forever.
I cannot explain why I felt such a connection with the sanatorium, or what had drawn me to it. They were, after all, just cold, empty, concrete buildings. But if you listened closely, you could hear the tragedy in the stories that echoed through its halls, and feel the despair in the distant memories that haunted its rooms. There was always a sadness I felt at the sanatorium, and it affected me deeply. It was a sadness for all of the people who must have suffered there, and for the sanatorium itself. That despite all of the good it had done, and for the major role it had played in our history, it was condemned to linger, as a relic from the past, caught in a time where it was no longer needed. Sentenced to a long, slow, hard death that forced it to endure years of neglect and abuse that robbed it of its elegance and its dignity. A fate it did not deserve.
http://www.mountainsanatorium.net/images/s/starledgerdemoarticle1993pg1. jpg
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #8 on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:57am » |
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Thanks for all the info. It sure is a shame there's nothing left, but it lives on nicely at this site.
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #9 on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 11:57pm » |
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on Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:57am, SteveW wrote:| Thanks for all the info. It sure is a shame there's nothing left, but it lives on nicely at this site. |
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you're welcome...hope it helps.
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Re: Guilbert & Betelle building?
« Reply #10 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 4:14pm » |
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What you guys were saying was the male employees building, in the late 70's became Turning Point, an alcohol rehab center. I was on the Rescue Squad in Verona for over 15 years during that time, and went on many a rescue call there for someone who was drying out and having a seizure. The second building that was pointed out (if you headed due East from Turning Point and went around the bend slightly, was the JINS facility. (Juveniles In Need of Supervision.) I always suspected that really it should have been Juveniles in Need of a Beating. They used to jump out the back windows, not realizing that there was a 30' drop down the hill.  In its hayday, the place was amazing.
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